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By Vision on 10/28/2009 5:58:13 PM
EVALUATING PPL

assalamo 3alaikom wara7mato Allah wabarakatoh

THIS IS AN ANGEL ... THIS IS A DEVIL ... THIS IS AN IGNORANT ... HE IS A MARTYR ... ETC

These judgements we all can hear in our society. By one word we judge a person if he/she an angel or he/she a devil or an ignorant completely or even a martyr. I think that we don't like to be objectives in our thinking and judgement. NO HUMAN IS ANGEL ,NO HUMAN IS DEVIL, NO ONE IS IGNORANT COMPLETLY AND NO ONE KNOW MARTYRS BUT ALLAH ... So, why we used to summarize the human's life in one word .. THIS IS UNFAIR REALLY ... Allah "soba7anaho wala3ala" didn't judge any one by this way at all even the worst persons we know in this world "Fer3awn" .. when Allah talked about Fer3awn he said: " اذهبا إلى فرعون إنه طغى * فقولا له قولا لينا لعله يتذكر أو يخشى " ... Really, so different way of judgement. So, why we are so hurry to judge ppl?? . Why we don't like to grant them a CHANCE to repent?? Why do we like to destroy ppl and even don't like to just hear them??? Why we accuse who has a different viewpoint of ignorance??? Why when we hate someone we way "He is a devil"??? Why when we like someone we way "He is martyr ??

I think that we should be more mercifuls, objectives and rational

Prophet Mohammad "salla Ahhalo 3alaihe wasallam" didn't despair to invite Omar Ibn El-Khattab to Islam and didn't consider him a devil while Omar was the most one who shows enmity to Muslims. But later Omar became the second best companion after Abo bakr "radia Allaho 3anhom".

 

 Prophet Mohammad "salla Ahhalo 3alaihe wasallam" didn't accuse AlHobab Ibn Almonzer of ignorance when AlHobab has criticized the residence place which has been choosen by the prophet in OHOD incursion.

 

Prophet Mohammad "salla Ahhalo 3alaihe wasallam" has declared that he doesn't know the eternal fate to ppl (Heaven or Hell). So, how did we know that??? The martyr's eternal fate is to Heaven for sure BUT no one know that for any one.

 

 

 

Thanks you all my friends, your comments make me happy and make the argument more useful

 

assalamo 3alaikom all

 

By NH on 11/4/2009 1:45:35 AM
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really good try VISION...i read a beautiful saying that' WHEN U THINK THAT SOMEONE IS GOOD THEN IT IS U WHO IS GOOD N WHEN U THINK SOMEONE IS BAD THEN IT IS U WHO IS BAD ACTUALLY...' so it depends on US that how we take people...but yes to judge any one at once is simply not good at all but methinks being a human its our weakness to lead to a decision at once may be thats why....!!! like ALLAH says in ALQURAN that 'TRULY HUMANS ARE HASTY IN NATURE' (sorry dont remember Exact quoting)
By Vision on 11/4/2009 2:47:53 AM
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Yes NH, i agree with you, thanks a lot
By @ Le Roi ^_^ Mido78 @ on 11/4/2009 6:43:57 AM
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Salam.

 I believe that all of us are humans we can not find someone 100% devil or 100% angel but it is still not the problem in my opinion. The problem not that someone is angel or devil… good or bad … an ignorant or a martyr BUT the most dangerous is when you meet someone is completely in the wrong way but he is trying to show for others that he is the right one and he is the victim not the executioner. And also you can meet some people knows inside themselves that they are criminals but they are trying to appear as the martyrs. Sometimes you can meet people thinking that they are only the smarter and they are considering the others as stupid.. But no I am sure that, they are the stupidest when they thinking like that. Because it is easy to fool all the people for some time BUT it’s impossible to fool some people for all the time. Finally I belief that all of us have mistakes and sure we have the rights to ask the others to forgive us, but on other hand we can not forcing them to do that specially if we do a lot of things made them felt hurt or pain. And we should not say about them that they are oppressive if they can not forgive us. Because you are not responsible about what people are thinking about you, BUT you are responsible about what you given them to thinking about you.

By Peace Maker on 11/4/2009 1:36:41 PM
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al salam alikom wa rahmato Allah wa brakatoh . this is a wonderful topic with great comments . i agree with all your opinions. there isn't any thing i can say more as u said the important points in that topic. no one is angel and no one is completly devil. i think the good personality comes from a good education in every ways espcially in religion and in moralities . it is good to try to be polite and lovable ,but that should be come from inside us not just in appearance.if we put into our account that we should be loyalty in every treatment with others, Allah will guide and protect us(Sensitive Allah in every situations in our life) . Allah blesses us in shaa Allah.THANKS.
By Vision on 11/4/2009 2:31:57 PM
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wa3alaikom alsalam wara7mato Allahi wabarakato sister white horse. Hello every one .. Thanks a lot all my friends for your comments which make the discussion more useful .. First, I think that those whom trying to show for others that they are right and victims while they in reality are executioners, that they do sins and INSIST on doing it and they don't declare any repentance BUT what i mean that man is evaluated by ALL his/her deeds in this life and ALLAH "sob7anaho wata3ala" will judge all ppl in the judgement day by THE BALANCE "AL-MYZAN" which has two pans; one for good deeds and another for bad deeds .. As we all agree that no one is fully angel and no one is fully devil .. SO NO ONE CAN KNOW WHAT PPL HIDE IN THEIR HEARTS ... So, no one can summerize the man's life in one word .. it's extremely UNFAIR .. I think that evaluating ppl based on their superficiality or their appearance "ظاهرهم" and what they declare NOT what they hide because no one know the invisible .. Second, yes sister white i agree 100% the we all should be frank and honest with Allah and he will guide us and protect us, and we shouldn't give hope to ppl because mostly they let others down ... Really, a lot of thanks to you all my friends and i wish Allah protect all of us and guide us to the right way, he is the only one who can do it .. Assalamo 3alaikom all

By hiba hidary on 11/5/2009 6:15:52 PM
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I am totaly agree with u mido u really hit the mark...actually judging on ppl by first impression could be unfair,but when it comes by their deeds its completly fair..Allah sob7anho wa ta3ala described humans as devils (shayaten el ens) cause if we come to the word itself devil it doesnt mean the type of creature,but it means the manners of that creature thats why their is human's devil and evil's devil....in addition,ppl hv all the rights to call anyone or describe him/her by the word that they think it fits their personality,for example,how come we call that person is bloody or crimnal??the same thing that when we meet someone nice and call him kind!!!what make us hv the right to call him so??ofcourse his or her deeds..in my opinion a human beings is a group of situations and from these situations wether its bad or good i can give him the descrption which fits him/her....ofcourse all of us not angels cause we live on earth but i guess when it comes to harm someone its very awful...the problem that we live in very hard time actually they consider the kind or honest person as a stupid person,and the liar and cheater as a great person.people wear masks and we deal with them as angels,and whats really painful that when someone wake up one day to discover the angel has converted into devil...i guess all of us faced so...actually ppl keep on wearing masks and acting,and as mido said the person can act for sometimes but not most of the time,cause it will come a day and that mask which he/she used to hide behind will be dropped...and dont expect that when u harm someone ,and even if that person used to be forgiver that he/she will forgive u this time...so to avoid hearing such a descrption which we all hate we shoud watch our deeds and always remember that Allah is here..the problem that we dont feel satisfy with what we hv,and we stand in front of all ppl to achieve our self interests,and we let the ppl go in to path and we choose another path,and after suffering in that path we return with our injuries serching 4 those ppl and as long as u try to approsh them they go far away,and u cant join them not even hving their forgivness..so to avoid such words remember that Allah is everywhere ,and in this case u will never be called by such descrpitions

By Ibrahem_Mohammed on 11/6/2009 6:23:28 AM
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salaam alikoum to everyone here , dear Tamer, how r u my brother ,i admire ur topic and i fully agree with u but i would like to ad somthing , Allah sobhanao watala created the goodness (way of Allah ) and badness (way of devil ) and he showed to us which way we have to follow , when we find someone walks in the good way he become good man and we conisder him angel as kind of exaggeration and when we find someone walks in the bad way he become bad man and we consider him as devil as kind of exaggeration because he obeyed the Satan , i do not say that we have to deal with him as devil,but they force us to hate them,and we as muslims do not hate the man but we hate his bad deeds that is why if he abandoned we will love him , i agree that we have to wait to know people before emit our opinion upon them because we cant know people well from the first time, but at the same time u cant deny that u conisder some people bad from the first time because of thier bad deeds and vice versa, may allah put the good people in our way salaam alikoum
By Vision on 11/6/2009 7:54:06 AM
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wa3alaikom alsalam wara7mato Allah wabarakato, brother Moihammad .. I'm really thankful for you all friends for your comments and really i agree with you all that we shouldn't be hurry to emit our judgement upon others till we know them well and even when we know them well as sinners we also should advise them and grant them a chance to repent .. Really, i wonder HOW CAN WE SEE A MAN HAS DECLARED HIS REPENTANCE AND WE STILL CALL HIM A DEVIL???? .. I don't say that we should like devils or believe those used to lie .. NO AT ALL .. but i think that whenever sinners and those whom have made even millions of bad deeds, whenever they all declare their repentance, we should forgive them and grant them a chance to change their bad deeds with another good deeds .. Allah (sob7anaho wata3ala) said: "إلا من تاب وءامن وعمل عملا صالحا فأولئك يبدل الله سيئاتهم حسنات وكان الله غفورا رحيما" ... So, i invite myself at first, and i invite you all and all ppl in this life TO BE MORE MERCIFUL ... Prophet Mohammad "salla Allaho 3alaihe wasallam" said: "الراحمون يرحمهم الرحمن ، ارحموا من في الأرض يرحمكم من في السماء" ... We all should know that feeling of regret is really so hard and maybe it is like knife cutting in the heart .. Examples in our life: Lots of Egyptians and Arab still insulating Qasem Ameen who has written the book of freeing women, and he has declared his repentance. Lots of ppl still insulating actress whom have given up hot scenes and have wore the veil (7ejab) Really, we all should to learn how to be merciful and how to forgive others.. prophet Mohammad (salla Allaho 3alaihe wasallam) said: "من أقال مسلما عثرته ، أقاله الله عثرته يوم القيامة" ... And really, i wonder HOW CAN LOTS OF PPL LET REPENTANTS DOWN ???? DO THEY THINK IN THEMSELVES AS ANGELS ?? They are humen also, and sinners also .. maybe one day they do a sin and want others to accept their repentance. May Allah protect all of us and guide us to the right way, May Allah bestow his forgiveness and mercy upon us. assalamo 3alaikom
By fair daffodil on 11/13/2009 7:35:50 AM
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All I wanna say is that its not us who are going to judge people and say that this man is criminal and that other one is innocent we havent the right just to condemn ppl just to follow ppls faults and gaffes simply bcz we r all sins ,i mean we are all wrong doers no body is infallible. its God who is the most gracious the most merciful so lets all seek God's repentance may he accepts.

By fair daffodil on 11/13/2009 7:35:59 AM
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All I wanna say is that its not us who are going to judge people and say that this man is criminal and that other one is innocent we havent the right just to condemn ppl just to follow ppls faults and gaffes simply bcz we r all sins ,i mean we are all wrong doers no body is infallible. its God who is the most gracious the most merciful so lets all seek God's repentence may he accepts.
By angel on 11/13/2009 2:45:13 PM
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good evening ,god bless you all :) i agree with you leroi_mido1,and Mylord JESUS says:forgive your enemis like your friends and love all humanity so when we have love ,pure love in our heart to other we can't hate them and we'll never be devil we'll feel peace in our heart that leaves us angels it's to hard to be angel but we can try to have a little of these good feelings in our life :)
By Vision on 11/13/2009 3:11:01 PM
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Thanks a lot fair daffodil and angel for participating my topic, and i wanna say that we almost agreed that FORGIVENESS is really needed in our life to live in peace with others and because we all are sinners so we need to forgive other in order to maybe we need to be forgiven by others ... Thanks again to all my friends and i hope we all gain the forgiveness of Allah.
By Valentina on 11/14/2009 8:34:47 AM
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We usually judge another people by their actions, deeds, words or appearance. But it’s necessary to remember that we are judged too. JUDGE NO LEST YE BE JUDGED We, people, are thinking human beings and we can think and analyze our and others’ deeds, words. In most cases we valuate others’ actions to us and words said to us. But we don’t often think how seriously our actions and words can hurt another people. We can hate and love. We should always remember before saying or acting to another person if it will or won’t hurt us. But we forget about it and some of us don’t want to think about it. If we sometimes remembered it we would hurt fewer people. And then fewer unhappy, hurt and offended people would be in our real life. And then we would not have to forgive and to be forgiven. Unfortunately, in our real life everything happens in a different way. FORGIVENESS is very important and necessary for people. Are there many people who can forgive? If we are able to forgive others then we can also be forgiven. We have to strive to be better.
By Vision on 11/14/2009 3:37:40 PM
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Oh ... it's totally strange when some ppl think that apologizing to others is sililar to "Indian movies" ... Allah "sob7anaho wata3ala" accepts the repentance of sinners if they did 4 things ... First: To leave sins .. Second: To regret that he/she did sins ... Third: To intend that he/she will NEVER be back to sins any more ... Forth: To apologive to those whom have been hurted by his/her sins ... It's the meaning of repentance in Islam .. BUT it's not our topic .. who wants to read about that he/she can go to "The meaning of repentance" in the discussion board ... Again, all what i wanna say that WE ALL AS HUMAN BEINGS CAN NEVER JUDGE PPL AND EVALUATE THEM AS WE SEE BECAUSE WE ARE ALL SINNERS AND MAYBE SOME DAY WE WILL BE IN THEIR SITUATION ... I wanna remind myself and all of my friends here with a great part of Nobel Quraan where Allah said: "وقالوا ما لنا لا نرى رجالا كنا نعدهم من الأشرار ، أتحذناهم سخريا أم زاغت عنهم الأبصار" ... Really, we all should stop emiting final evaluations about others and stop ridiculing them as we are infallibles .. it's not true at all ... WE ALL SHOULD THINK DEEPLY ABOUT THIS LIFE AND THINK DEEPLY ABOUT THE NATURE OF HUMAN BEINGS ... We should be more mercifuls .. May Allah bestow his forgiveness and mercy upon us all ... thanks a lot assalamo 3alaikom
By Aftab Alam on 11/15/2009 10:15:47 AM
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ASSALAM-O-ALLAIKUM WAREHAMAT-ULLAHE WABARKATHO,

Hope you all will be fine, first of all vision set a good topic which has enormous capacity of discussion. When we talk about evaluating peoples its mean we want to judge others’ personality treats. Many friends focused that we can not assess one’s in first instance, is most acceptable statement. We can never appraise any one in one or two meetings. But after meeting again and again to any one if we found any ethical and moral lackness we must indicate him/her politely instead of spreading to other. Here i will add a quote ( HADITH QUDSI  ) of our Great Prophet ( MAY ALLAH PEACE BE UPON HIM ), He said

“ALLAH says, if someone keeps in searching to find some thing bad into other person with the intention to defame him/her with his/her weakness. (ALLAH says) i swear to my greatness s/he will not die till s/he does not discover the same property (defect) in his own.” 

in other hand UMER-BIN-KITAB ( Razee Allah Tala Anho ) asking to ABUBAKKAR SIDDIQUE ( Razee Allah Tala Anho ) “Kindly indicate me my mistakes and deficiencies so that I can remove it”

if I want to encompass my above words I will simply say that being friend, relative and part of the society we must evaluate others and indicate their weakness so that people can improve themselves and we should praise the goodness of others too, we should include ourself in this cycle as well. It will help us to build an enviable society. 

ALLAH HAFIZ
 

By Vision on 11/15/2009 2:55:45 PM
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walaikom alsalam warahmato Allahi wabarakato my brother Aftab Alam ... really i can't add any thing more that you added .. really, your comment is extremely valuable and great .. May Allah teach us what benefit us and may Allah benefit us with what he teached us ... May Allah protect us all and May Allah bestow his forgiveness and mercy upon us all ... thanks a lot assalamo 3alaikom
By hiba hidary on 11/15/2009 4:29:01 PM
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well guys so all of us agreed that we can judge ppl by time,and as Afitab said sometimes this evaluating can help them to improve their weak aspects in their personality ofcourse all of us are sinners cause we werent born to be angels WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS and as human beings Allah sob7anho wa ta3ala gave us rules which we should follow,in addition,as we all know that Allah sob7anho wa ta3ala forgive what belongs to worshiping and to himself but never forgive what belongs to ppl..so as a muslim i should watch my deeds with humans cause i dont know wether they will forgive me or not..Allah sob7anho wa ta3ala give us the right to forgive or not so as humans we cant argue with that...and as valantina said that actually we know very well that do mistakes to ppl and hurt them could be offensive and we still insist on so what about when u WARN SOMEONE THAT HE IS MISTAKEN AND HE STAND IN FRONT ALL AND INSISTED THAT HE WASNT MISTAKEN,THEN HE CAME BACK TO SAID SORRY do u expect that he can be forgiven??? everything in this life has A LIMIT so expect that u will reach a point which u can get nothing from others...we hear about many ppl who wake up toooooooo late after the ppl who they hurted died or became as sold as a rock,,so when u hurt ppl u hv to accept any reactions and dont force ppl to forgive cause Allah who created us hasnt done so as humans we dont hv the right to say so
By Vision on 11/15/2009 5:56:36 PM
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Yes, Allah sob7anaho wata3ala asked sinners to repair what they spoiled before especially what belongs to humans ... so, sinners have to apologize to whom they hurted and ask them for forgiveness ... it's not difficult to be understood .. i wonder why many ppl insist to change the basics of our religions ?? and Allah sob7anaho wata3ala has given us the right to forgive of not BUT HE HAS URGED US IN MANY PARTS IN NOBEL QURAAN TO BE FORGIVINGS AND MERCIFUL .. really this discussion doesn't have a spave enough to mention all those parts of Nobel Quraan which urging to be forgivings .. but for example:

"وسارعوا إلى مغفرة من ربكم وجنة عرضها السماوات والأرض أعدت للمتقين ، الذين ينفقون في السراء والضراء والكاظمين الغيظ والعافين عن الناس ، والله يحب المحسنين" ـ

"والذين إذا فعلوا فاحشة أو ظلموا أنفسهم ذكروا الله فاستغفروا لذنوبهم ومن يغفر الذنوب إلا الله ولم يصروا على ما فعلوا وهم يعلمون ، أولئك جزاؤهم مغفرة من ربهم وجنات تجري من تحتها الأنهار خالدين فيها ونعم أجر العاملين " ـ

Allah forgives us .. so how don't us forgive others??

"ولا يأتل أولو الفضل منكم والسعة أن يؤتوا أولي القربى والمساكين والمهاجرين في سبيل الله وليعفوا وليصفحوا ألا تحبون أن يغفر الله لكم والله غفور رحيم " ـ "

I think that no need to talk after the words of Allah .. gazakom Allaho 5airan all my friends .. May Allah protect all of us and May Allah bestow his forgiveness and mercy upon all of us

Thanks a lot

assalamo 3alaikom

By rania on 11/16/2009 3:07:32 AM
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i think because we are humans so just we like to evaluate others before evaluating our selves and in fact it is not evaluate becaue the evaluation leads to change to the best,,, but most of what we see just criticizing for person without giving him chance to repent as u said Vision, In fact our prophet is the real meaning of appalication for all the meaning of great ideas of God relegion.
By Vision on 11/16/2009 2:30:19 PM
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Exactly sister Rania, sometimes i feel that ppl feel with happiness while they see others torturing ... WHERE IS MERCY IN OUR HEARTS????? ... of course our prophet Mohammad "salla Allaho 3alaihe wasallam" is the best one Allah choosen to be a (Oswa 7asana) to all of ppl ... He was really MERCY ITSELF ... Allah (sob7anaho wata2ala) said: " وما أرسلناك إلا رحمة للعالمين " ... As i mentioned before, that sometimes ppl forget that they are humans also and sinners too, and maybe some day they will be in the same situation of those whom they ridicule , and they will be ashamed and need to be forgaven ... This is life, ups and downs ... i wanna call your attention all to that arguing and discussing is to show your own openion and to prove it , not to like or dislike others openions ... All thanks to Allah that i have proven all my words by QURAAN and SUNNAH ... so, who dislike that, it's up to him/her ... I repeat all my thanks to you all my friends. May Allah protect all of us and May Allah bestow his forgiveness and mercy upon all of us. Thanks a lot assalamo 3alaikom
By hiba hidary on 11/17/2009 6:20:15 AM
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Well most of us hv proved what we said cause we will be asked...and we shouldnt take part of Quran or Sunnah,and leave the other part Well we cant forbide what Allah allowed in all scripts wether in Quran or Sunnah gave the human the right to forgive or not ..a simple example the word ان is a conditional tool like If in english which means IF U CAN another point i wanna add is cause Allah created us he knows how difficult sometimes to forgive someone,so he will reward us if we forgive ,however,he will not punish us if we dont ,so its something fixed and doesnt need argument another thing,its sooooo easy keep saying words,but real is completely different i used to say the same we should forgive whatever happened ,but when i experienced something i found myself at the first time of my life cant forgive,we shouldnt keep ourselvs as roler model cause all of us will reach this point,the prophet mohamed peace be upon him, himself couldnt forgive hend bent otba who killed sayedna hamza and even when she entered the Islam he didnt do al mosafa7a with her in additional,those who suffer cause of their sins that they hv done with ppl what were there condition when they did so?they were strong and arrogant and feeling happy as well and dancing on their victams sarrows melody could u tell me WHERE WAS THEIR MERCI?and after they lose they need to be forgiven and need to hv the merci on them cause they suffer!!!ISNT THAT ALITTLE BIT SELFISH??? u know something which i experienced and know very well not just words on the air that some ppl when u keep forgive them u lead them to do what is worse to u and others!!! not all who u forgive u give the chance to them to improve their personalities,and believe me if i cause harm to someone and i know the Quran and Sunnah very wellllllll, not hv ignorance as ppl used to be in the past,and keep giving advices when i am SINNER ,i deserve not to be forgiven cause i believe in arabic proverb which saidفاقد الشيئ لا يعطية so see ya guys in new topic inshaAllah
By Vision on 11/17/2009 9:32:43 AM
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Well, really it's the best example ... HEND BENT 3OTBA .. first, prophet Mohammad "salla Allaho 3alaihe wasallam" doesn't shake hands with any woman, not Hend Bent 3otba especially .. Second, No one can deny that Hend Bent 3otba is ONE OF THE BEST COMPANIONS of prophet Mohammad "salla Allaho 3alaihe wasallam" and HE WAS DIED SATIFYING HER ABSOLUTELY .. and he has accepted her inauguration of course (بيعة) ... NO NEED TO SHOW JUST WHAT WE WANT OF THE HISTORY AND IGNORE THE REST ... Not only Hend Bent 3otba whom was in the same situation, also OMAR IBN EL 5ATTAB who was one of the most ppl whom show enmity to Muslims and then he became OMAR who we know well ... I also believe in the great aphorism " خياركم في الجاهلية خياركم في الإسلام اذا فقهوا " ... I think that forgiving sinners push them to do the best in their life not as you say at all, and we mentioned just tow great examples; Hend Bent 3otba & Omar Ibn El5attab "radia Allaho 3anhom" ... We still want to convert humans into angels when we ask about sinners "WHERE WAS THEIR MERCI?" ... really, so strange ... ALL HUMANS ARE SINNERS AND ALLAH FORGIVE ALL SINS; BIG OR SMALL .. why we forgot this great "7adeeth 9odosy" ... " يابن ءادم لو بلغت ذنوبك عنان السماء ثم استغفرتني ، غفرت لك على ما كان منك ولا أبالي ... يابن ءادم لو أتيتني بقراب الأرض خطايا ثم لقيتني لا تشرك بي شيئا لأتيتك بقرابها مغفرة " ... O ALLAH YOU ARE THE GREATEST FORGIVING ... Why we forgot this person who have killed 100 persons and then ALLAH HAS FORGIVEN HIM ... sob7an Allah wal7amdo lellah w la elaha ella Allah w Allaho Akbar ... How still we can argue this matter after we knew all these proofs ... I repeat all my thanks to you all my friends. May Allah protect all of us and May Allah bestow his forgiveness and mercy upon all of us. Thanks a lot assalamo 3alaikom wara7mato Allah
By Fatima on 11/18/2009 3:23:40 PM
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thanx alot vision for ur effort in ntroducing such vital topics to be discussed.....i wanna say that not only arabs read the topics here...all people from all over the world do so,,,so plz when u state a verse from koran or hadieth,write its equiavilent meaing in english to facilitate it to all people...best regards...salam
By Vision on 11/18/2009 4:26:30 PM
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ahaaaaaaa ... yes sister Fatima, you are right .. thanks a lot for your advice .. i'll try to write all in English in sha2 Allah ... wa3alaikom alsalam